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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://asupposedlyfunblog.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/not-as-fun-as-id-supposed/#comment-600</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are trying to make a funny song/music video for fun and obviously to post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blackstar69.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; BlackStar69 &lt;/a]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are trying to make a funny song/music video for fun and obviously to post on <a href="http://blackstar69.com/" rel="nofollow"> BlackStar69 &lt;/a</a></p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny, since it was published and I was first was turned on to IJ, I&#039;m about 100 pages from finishing my third read, and I&#039;m oddly and creepily convinced I&#039;ll have it all figured out if I just keep reading it over and over again.

That&#039;s not good for me, but is a pretty compelling example of the power of art.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, since it was published and I was first was turned on to IJ, I&#8217;m about 100 pages from finishing my third read, and I&#8217;m oddly and creepily convinced I&#8217;ll have it all figured out if I just keep reading it over and over again.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not good for me, but is a pretty compelling example of the power of art.</p>
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		<title>By: brent jenkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ezra,

      Ridiculously, I am always somehow disappointed when people don&#039;t like what I like, especially if I really like it, as with IJ. I initially want to marshal all my arguments about how said person should revise their viewpoint so that they can be just like me and love what I love, that they have missed something crucial and I will explain it to them. Ha! I suppose the psychology of this is fairly obvious. I struggled with IJ, certainly, but not surprisingly it was the struggle that I ended up enjoying (and just wait &#039;til you get to the end). I find this to be true of most of the art/writing that I enjoy--there is the initial struggle, sometimes bafflement, and then the work becomes this amazing presence in my life, seemingly ever after. I wonder if it just doesn&#039;t come down to aesthetics and brain chemistry. That in a sense we are hardwired to appreciate certain things and not others. I literally hung on Hal&#039;s every word. I couldn&#039;t get enough of Hal and Pemulis. Gately, too, and of course Mario and JVD and JOI. IJ, for me, had this incredible intimacy that I&#039;d never experienced before in a work of art. And that was the thing for me and IJ, this feat that DFW accomplishes. Amazing, nothing else has quite worked like this. It was almost uncanny, but then I myself was a big jock as a kid, followed tennis, devoured Thomas Harris novels, work with drug addiction, etc, so, my hardwiring is like synced up. I suspect that DFW&#039;s IJ terrain is not your terrain and it never will be. Which is just how it is, though kind of a bummer for you. But you still will have accomplished reading this important book, which I think is valuable whether you like it or not.

brent]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra,</p>
<p>      Ridiculously, I am always somehow disappointed when people don&#8217;t like what I like, especially if I really like it, as with IJ. I initially want to marshal all my arguments about how said person should revise their viewpoint so that they can be just like me and love what I love, that they have missed something crucial and I will explain it to them. Ha! I suppose the psychology of this is fairly obvious. I struggled with IJ, certainly, but not surprisingly it was the struggle that I ended up enjoying (and just wait &#8217;til you get to the end). I find this to be true of most of the art/writing that I enjoy&#8211;there is the initial struggle, sometimes bafflement, and then the work becomes this amazing presence in my life, seemingly ever after. I wonder if it just doesn&#8217;t come down to aesthetics and brain chemistry. That in a sense we are hardwired to appreciate certain things and not others. I literally hung on Hal&#8217;s every word. I couldn&#8217;t get enough of Hal and Pemulis. Gately, too, and of course Mario and JVD and JOI. IJ, for me, had this incredible intimacy that I&#8217;d never experienced before in a work of art. And that was the thing for me and IJ, this feat that DFW accomplishes. Amazing, nothing else has quite worked like this. It was almost uncanny, but then I myself was a big jock as a kid, followed tennis, devoured Thomas Harris novels, work with drug addiction, etc, so, my hardwiring is like synced up. I suspect that DFW&#8217;s IJ terrain is not your terrain and it never will be. Which is just how it is, though kind of a bummer for you. But you still will have accomplished reading this important book, which I think is valuable whether you like it or not.</p>
<p>brent</p>
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		<title>By: jmb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not reading the footnotes might be contributing to your having trouble discerning a plot. But the book isn&#039;t really primarily about tight plotting. DFW isn&#039;t trying to do a Moby-Dick-length version of Michael Connelly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not reading the footnotes might be contributing to your having trouble discerning a plot. But the book isn&#8217;t really primarily about tight plotting. DFW isn&#8217;t trying to do a Moby-Dick-length version of Michael Connelly.</p>
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		<title>By: mitchcalderwood</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jimbo, I&#039;m on my third time through IJ and it&#039;s great.  I&#039;ve also read a number of theses at the Howling Fantods site (haven&#039;t busted out for the books on DFW and IJ yet though).  All I can say is that from my perspective, the end of the book is not the end of the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo, I&#8217;m on my third time through IJ and it&#8217;s great.  I&#8217;ve also read a number of theses at the Howling Fantods site (haven&#8217;t busted out for the books on DFW and IJ yet though).  All I can say is that from my perspective, the end of the book is not the end of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I stumbled on this blog, I&#039;ve taken to picking up IJ and just opening it to random pages and starting in just for the fun of it.

Lots of people have noted this, but DFW&#039;s suicide really does alter the experience of reading it (or parts of it, in my case) again.

I&#039;m starting to think of it as highly autobiographical, with heavy doses of the author&#039;s imagination included.  All the things that Wallace loved and hated and found interesting (considering his body of work) are awfully deeply explored; his wonkish love of math and formal logic, tennis, pharmacology, the intersection of meta-viewing and culture, and of course depression and *gulp* suicide, wrapped in this wildly complex and funny and smart monstrosity of a book.  I see a lot of Wallace (in suicidal retrospect) in Gately, Kate Gompert, Hal, and Mario, who is not getting enough play on this blog, IMO.  Mario being perhaps the novel&#039;s one pure soul, the simple-is-better, trusting, unconditionally loving part of DFW, DFW knowing if he could just see the world more like Mario...

Sometimes I wonder if he just sat down and decided to give us the most thorough peek into a person&#039;s own personal mind I can ever recall reading, and damn the torpedos and people who find it to be &quot;work.&quot;  I look into my own mind, and I, too, find it infinitely jestful, and trying to pour everything bouncing around in there into a book would require a thousand pages, at least.  And probably a lot of endnotes.  

The man had an bizarrely large, completely functional empathy gland, that much is clear, to at least one rapt reader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I stumbled on this blog, I&#8217;ve taken to picking up IJ and just opening it to random pages and starting in just for the fun of it.</p>
<p>Lots of people have noted this, but DFW&#8217;s suicide really does alter the experience of reading it (or parts of it, in my case) again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think of it as highly autobiographical, with heavy doses of the author&#8217;s imagination included.  All the things that Wallace loved and hated and found interesting (considering his body of work) are awfully deeply explored; his wonkish love of math and formal logic, tennis, pharmacology, the intersection of meta-viewing and culture, and of course depression and *gulp* suicide, wrapped in this wildly complex and funny and smart monstrosity of a book.  I see a lot of Wallace (in suicidal retrospect) in Gately, Kate Gompert, Hal, and Mario, who is not getting enough play on this blog, IMO.  Mario being perhaps the novel&#8217;s one pure soul, the simple-is-better, trusting, unconditionally loving part of DFW, DFW knowing if he could just see the world more like Mario&#8230;</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if he just sat down and decided to give us the most thorough peek into a person&#8217;s own personal mind I can ever recall reading, and damn the torpedos and people who find it to be &#8220;work.&#8221;  I look into my own mind, and I, too, find it infinitely jestful, and trying to pour everything bouncing around in there into a book would require a thousand pages, at least.  And probably a lot of endnotes.  </p>
<p>The man had an bizarrely large, completely functional empathy gland, that much is clear, to at least one rapt reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ezra, 
I have a real hard time relating to your post. I am digging it all. Like, a lot. Understood, your real busy and all but... DFW is &quot;wasting a lot of your time&quot;? My experience is that I&#039;m savoring every page and footnote. The bummer is that when this mental Hot Fudge Sunday is over, there aint gonna be no more. Ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra,<br />
I have a real hard time relating to your post. I am digging it all. Like, a lot. Understood, your real busy and all but&#8230; DFW is &#8220;wasting a lot of your time&#8221;? My experience is that I&#8217;m savoring every page and footnote. The bummer is that when this mental Hot Fudge Sunday is over, there aint gonna be no more. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: funkyfoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I firmly believe DFW&#039;s backtracking and recurrent jokes on Reader-Annoyance are trademark self-conscious reactions to the dauntingly complex drafts he evidently tried to distill into a more accessible and enjoyable reader experience. 

And let me reassure you Ralph, after trying to quit a dirty drug which prevented severe depression over 22 years only to find that the drug does not help anymore when the depression returns with a vengeance, it is unlikely that special something you&#039;d have said or done could have made him stay around. At that regrettable moment in time, he just could not bear life-with-an-exploding-head any longer. R.I.P. Dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believe DFW&#8217;s backtracking and recurrent jokes on Reader-Annoyance are trademark self-conscious reactions to the dauntingly complex drafts he evidently tried to distill into a more accessible and enjoyable reader experience. </p>
<p>And let me reassure you Ralph, after trying to quit a dirty drug which prevented severe depression over 22 years only to find that the drug does not help anymore when the depression returns with a vengeance, it is unlikely that special something you&#8217;d have said or done could have made him stay around. At that regrettable moment in time, he just could not bear life-with-an-exploding-head any longer. R.I.P. Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been reading &quot;A Supposedly Fun Thing I&#039;ll Never Do Again,&quot; and I noticed in the acknowledgments that DFW mentions his sister, whom he calls &quot;Amy (&quot;Just How Much Reader-Annoyance Are You Shooting For Here, Exactly?&quot;) Wallace Havens.&quot; I find it interesting to consider the question of just how deliberately DFW tried to make it hard on the reader. I can&#039;t speak for the worth of the experience to others, but I can say that this book has been intensely thought provoking, as an experience and as a meta-experience. And I still can&#039;t get my head around the ubiquity of suicide in the book, and to this day I am haunted by wondering just what was wrong with this man and what I could have said to him to make him stay around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading &#8220;A Supposedly Fun Thing I&#8217;ll Never Do Again,&#8221; and I noticed in the acknowledgments that DFW mentions his sister, whom he calls &#8220;Amy (&#8220;Just How Much Reader-Annoyance Are You Shooting For Here, Exactly?&#8221;) Wallace Havens.&#8221; I find it interesting to consider the question of just how deliberately DFW tried to make it hard on the reader. I can&#8217;t speak for the worth of the experience to others, but I can say that this book has been intensely thought provoking, as an experience and as a meta-experience. And I still can&#8217;t get my head around the ubiquity of suicide in the book, and to this day I am haunted by wondering just what was wrong with this man and what I could have said to him to make him stay around.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find that liking V. is not an accurate predictor of whether you&#039;ll like G.R., or vice versa, but people who like the Crying of Lot 49 like G.R.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that liking V. is not an accurate predictor of whether you&#8217;ll like G.R., or vice versa, but people who like the Crying of Lot 49 like G.R.</p>
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